In order to compare the members of the prores 422 family, this web site uses 10bit picture data with an hd 1920x1080 frame size and a frame rate of 29. Its not scientific, its not oscar material in any way, but its prores raw and you can get it here. Each one is meant to be used in different scenarios and shooting situations. Blackmagic forum view topic need pro res 422 hq codec. B ease of editing i personally love prores for how easily i can edit it, sometimes even on a old macbook pro, and i definitely cannot do this with braw. A 3d lut can also be embedded in metadata of blackmagic raw files. Jan 25, 2015 this might not be the best way to show the differences between the two but my thinking was to show how well one codec could be interchanged with another with the hope a codec like prores lt would still look good. If you want to test your cards, you can download the free blackmagic disk speed test app for your computer here. I have found that with prores hq i am able to bring the darks up quite a bit. Prores 422 is the default and workhorse video format for all optimized media in final cut pro x. Blackmagic raw vs prores what are the difference and which should you use. Ive made sure quicktime and the windows qt decoder for prores are updated, as well as premiere cc. Apple prores is a family of proprietary, lossy compressed, high quality video intermediate codecs primarily supported by the final cut pro fcp suite of postproduction and editing software programs. Prores lt vs prores hq vs raw on the bmpcc black magic.
Jan 26, 2015 ive used this version of the codec in the past for multicam editing on a late 2007 macbook pro, and it works like a charm, even with 12 clips loaded in the fcps multiclip viewer. Jul 17, 2014 while the cinema camera, pocket cinema camera, and production camera 4k are all capable of recording to the highquality prores hq codec, for plenty of shooting situations, hq can be overkill. Dec 27, 2012 apple prores 422 codec is the best codec for final cut pro x editing on mac, once you convert mxf, mts, m2ts, h. In resolve, i applied a lut and then exported as an uncompressed 1080p 10. The real value of raw is the high bit depth and this is what makes it possible to do massive corrections to things like white balance and iso as if they had been changed in camera. How much recording time can you expect when shooting in 6k. The prores family of codecs use compression algorithms based on the discrete cosine transform dct technique, much like the h. Today he posted a link to about 10 gb worth of 4k ultrahd, 3840 x 2160 pixels ungraded prores clips from their upcoming new 4k production camera the footage was acquired in prores, he did not touch raw. Prores raw combines the flexibility of raw video with the incredible performance of prores. The new apple prores raw codec family promises to bring the highperformance, lowdata rates of prores to your raw workflows. Prores raw could be seen as the equivalent to prores 422 hq in terms of data rate. Blackmagic ursa mini pro tech specs blackmagic design. Dng and all the flavours of prores are available from proxy to hq.
I was wondering, even in its lowest quality prores proxy, is the video quality significantly better than a typical dslr. If you plan to shoot in film mode, record prores 422 hq. Bmpcc 4k prores 422hq vs raw cinema dng losless detalization and skin tones test. If you want to check them out for yourself, download the files from the link in this article on. Were looking at a compressed raw format here and this actually makes a lot of sense. The combination of a very good dynamic range with a superb codec blackmagic raw leads to superb images. The target data rate of apple prores 422 is approximately 147 mbps at 1920 x 1080 and 29. Pocket cinema 4k blackmagic raw vs cinemadng and prores hq. My personal take on the results is that raw provides more detail and micro contrast, richer and more natural colours, deeper shadows and vastly more recoverable highlights, provides huge control over exposure and colour balance, and eliminates the compression pixelation effect that you can see going on in the shadows in quite a few of the. John brawley andreas neumann peter nearhos mark wyatt ive been taking a look at the footage, and can offer my opinion.
Thats because sony vegas can read prores files but it cant render them. Blackmagic bmpcc test footage prores 422 hq duration. If you want to check them out for yourself, download the files from the. The lower compression found in 422 and hq is good for grading, but if. Development of blackmagic raw started almost 3 years ago and the ursa mini pro and bmpcc 4k were designed with blackmagic raw in mind. I tried to shoot in prores hq to compare with raw cinemadng. Apple prores is a high quality, lossy video compression format developed by apple inc. Blackmagic raw vs prores what are the difference and which. Issue with prores importing into premiere cc in wi.
Mar 02, 2014 mlv raw with sound direct to prores 422 hq. Import, edit and grade pristine video with raw data straight from your camera sensor without slowing down your edit. Who needs 444 and raw here is an outdoor scene with some skin tones. It is simple to do but be aware that by updating you will be losing the option to shoot in cinemadng. What makes blackmagic raw so special is just how small the 12bit raw files are. But over the years, compression technology has caught up, and compressed codecs like apples prores 4444 offer a viable and simple alternative to shooting raw.
Nov 06, 2014 which codec, avchd, prores 422, or prores hq. In this video we are testing the blackmagic new codec braw and showing exemplary of the various options that braw. The only difference between prores 422 and prores 422 hq is the data rate. Before uploading to the internet the difference between raw and the other two codecs was more obvious but the variation between hq and lt was almost impossible to see even before the upload, and i pushed the color grading pretty far but i could be missing something obvious, wouldnt be the first. Earlier this week john brawley made available the first prores files. Prores proxy, prores 422 lt, prores 422, prores 422 hq, prores 4444 and prores 4444 xq. Blackmagic pocket cinema camera tech specs blackmagic design. This is a split screen between prores 422 hq on the left and prores 422 for footage shot in film mode. Blackmagic pocket cinema camera prores resolve grades.
Blackmagic pocket cinema camera tech specs blackmagic. Maximum sensor frame rate dependent on resolution and codec selected. Another significant advantage of the blackmagic raw is the compatibility to multiple os platforms mac, windows and linux contrary to prores raw which is relevant only for mac platform. In other words, apple prores is a video editing codec and welcomed in professional postproduction with large file size. With red raw, content creators discovered that with highquality. From the footage we get to judge both the 12bit raw dng recordings and the 10bit prores, but not the cinema dng files directly. Its quite incredible the amount of information that lurks in the prores 422 hq files. The bmpcc 4k has just been given a welcome raw update so lets see what recording options are available. If you own a blackmagic ursa mini pro camera then you can download a public beta for your camera that. The final output of the film will be to dvd and bluray. Because this camera is for both professionals and filmmakers who are starting out, we wanted to create something that would empower both of them to do their own films.
A high quality compressed codec offering nearly all the benefits of apple prores 422 hq, but at 66 percent of the data rate for even better multistream, realtime editing performance. Blackmagic raw grants you control on metadata in post. A big part of that ultimate quality is determined right at the time of capture, by the capture codec we choose to use. Original bmpcc 4k footage available to download newsshooter. Sep 23, 2014 bmpcc lowest prores quality vs dslr video. Prores raw is a very cool compressed raw codec that has been implemented in conjunction with apples fcpx. With a wink, maybe a blink, may we show you what lrtvgrabbarna did comparing the blackmagic cinema cameras raw output vs prores output. It is the successor of the apple intermediate codec and was introduced in 2007 with final cut studio 2. Bmpcc lowest prores quality vs dslr video digital video. Blackmagic cameras get highercompression prores 422, lt. Blackmagic design sent us one of the very first blackmagic pocket cinema camera 6k to test before it was launched.
Prores raw testfiles for download nab 2018 filmplusgear. Apple literature states that apple prores 422 hq offers visually lossless preservation of the highestquality professional hd video that a singlelink hdsdi signal can carry. Bmpcc could record in prores hq or raw, but now, it can record also in apple prores 422, apple prores 422 lt and apple. Apple introduced the prores 422 video codec for final cut studio 2 users in 2007. Raw codec that moves part of the demosaic processing from the.
Bmpcc reads the whole sensor without line skipping. Basically my question is according to you data rates aside is braw on a 12. May 15, 2018 prores raw is an incredible new way to capture your footage and you should at least know about it. First video comparison of the blackmagic pocket cinema camera. Hey guys, im a pc user windows 7 64bit, premiere 5. Blackmagic cinema camera raw vs prores in a minute. Need pro res 422 hq codec for windows 7 fri mar 15, 20 7. Blackmagic forum view topic raw cinema dng vs prores. Blackmagic posts 4k production footage in prores updated. And, unless you are using really good lenses with really good lighting, you wont see a difference between prores 422 and 422 hq.
The raw shoot is nature by mark wyatt but the sample file was made available is a converted prores mov format. If youre using sony vegas pro, but need a final product to be in prores 422 hq format, you would get frustrated. While i was waiting for three renders to complete, i did the unthinkable. Important quirks and features of the blackmagic pocket. Raw for the bmpcc is just like raw for stills it must be debayered and be assigned an iso before. In this multipart series ill break down what prores raw is, how to record prores raw and how to.
The blackmagic pocket cinema camera 4k features a 43 size sensor, stops of dynamic range and dual native iso up to 25,600 for hdr images and incredible low light performance. Im just starting a new project with footage from the panasonic af100. First video comparison of the blackmagic pocket cinema. Note the difference in midtone values in the middle of the candle. Weve worked the best and fastest way to enable you to export prores from sony vegas pro. Blackmagic pocket cinema camera 6k lab test dynamic.
Head over to the blackmagic website here to download material from six different shoots by four professional dps. Whatever may be the reason, you have prores hq, 422, lt and proxy. Im pretty interested in getting a bmpcc for video work. If you plan to shoot in extended video or video mode, record prores 422. The codec is said to offer uncompressed quality in a compressed codec, but many editors are nervous about using anything less than full uncompressed video to retain broadcast quality. Sep 06, 2018 comment on the forum blackmagic have released the first files straight off the pocket cinema camera 4k, for grading and evaluation. Oct 19, 2011 apple introduced the prores 422 video codec for final cut studio 2 users in 2007. Some of you already have done this before, so you can guide me. Just last night, blackmagic design released a firmware update for their pocket cinema camera that weve all been waiting for since the day the camera was released several months ago, a firmware update that gave the minuscule camera the ability to shoot compressed raw cinemadng files directly to the internal sd cards.
Clipped whites are lost forever, but you can recover a fair amount of detail in those darks. Oct 22, 2015 when raw cameras such as the red one were first released, many professional cinematographers stopped working with compressed digital formats at least on very highend projects. External controls give quick access to essential functions, while the large 5 inch touchscreen makes it easy to frame shots, focus accurately and change camera settings. Blackmagic pocket cinema camera 4k raw and prores 422. I set out to shoot something at nab 2018 and make it available for download for you to play with. Blackmagic pocket cinema camera gallery blackmagic design. Both settings feature hd quality that is indistinguishable from the original, even after many generations of reencoding.
So what is prores 422, and how does it measure up against uncompressed hd video. Most of it was shot with the sony pxwfs7 camera and cam b was shot on sony pxwfs5. Its a short film production 4045 minutes tvpilot episode. A highquality compressed codec offering nearly all the benefits of apple prores 422 hq, but at 66 percent of the data rate for even better multistream, realtime editing performance. It would crash most avids, especially braw for a final product in 1080i. In truth, this is more of a primer on blackmagic raw than a detailed comparison of the three codecs. Apple prores 422 is a high quality compressed codec offering nearly all the benefits of apple prores 422 hq, but at 66 percent of the data rate for even better multistream, realtime editing performance. Choose the version of prores best suited to your project. Pocket cinema 4k blackmagic raw vs cinemadng and prores. This is very important if you want to really understand raw and how it works with current technology. Dynamic range at full sensor readout, uhd prores hq iso400. Mlv raw with sound direct to prores 422 hq cameras eoshd. The target data rate is approximately 147 mbps at 1920x1080 and 29.
Prores 422 hq retains visually lossless picture quality and provides a 220mbps data rate for 1920 x 1080. The point of these articles and videos is to inform users of the quality and changes to their equipment with this new codec and arbitrary removal of cinemadng. Prores 422 files have around 147mbps on 1920 x 1080 resolution with 29. As this could possibly make better use of the prores codec. However, the question what flavor of prores one should use for an a particular project remains. With that said, for most video professionals prores is the codec of choice for any work relating to a project that needs a quick turnaround time.
Oct 10, 2018 blackmagic raw vs prores what are the difference and which should you use. I would, however, use prores 422 hq for the editingtimeline codec, or prores 4444 if you need alpha channel support. My ultimate bmpcc 4k handheld tilta rig build compact cinema beast. Prores hq and dnxhd are so close i havent bothered testing them both. If we look at two of the shooting formats, we can see on paper that there is a huge difference in quality. Blackmagic pocket cinema camera 4k raw and prores 422 footage. While the cinema camera, pocket cinema camera, and production camera 4k are all capable of recording to the high quality prores hq codec, for plenty of shooting situations, hq can be overkill. Encoding videos in prores 422 hq on windowspc envato forums.
Normal prores 422 provides excellent preservation of either 8bit or. We tested the z cam e2 raw capabilities comparing to the bmpcc 4k raw. It provides a flexible, powerful raw recording that has been. I can import other codecs just fine, its just prores thats refusing. With the 4k camera, standard prores 422 at 3840 x 2160 will give more. Nov 02, 2010 prores 422 hq vs prores 422 vs prores 444 a forum for discussing dslr video and related techniques and questions. I download, install, update, open up premiere to rebuild the short edit, and then find that when i import prores files, all i get is audio, no video.
When importing is it worth importing with prores 422 hq. Firstly, this is a new update for the bmpcc 4k you will need to pop onto the blackmagic design website to download and then install. I would like to know what will be the best pro res setting for my final exported project apple prores 422 or 422 hq. Raw for the bmpcc is just like raw for stills it must be debayered and be assigned an iso before it can be viewed. But the demand for huge storage is still there or getting even. Understanding prores raw is it prores or is it raw. Aug 15, 20 i think a safe bet is if your card can sustain a minumum of 30mbs write speeds, it should work fine to record prores. The bmpcc 4k has just been given a welcome raw update so lets see what. I have said it over and over braw is equal, in quality, to prores hq and many people enjoy and solely shooting prores which is fine.
Cover image via gnepphoto if things pan out the way they seem set to, prores raw could change the way independent film and video professionals work for a long time. In this video we are testing the blackmagic new codec braw and showing. Theres no question we all wish to make the highest quality films possible using the various cameras available to us. And with the upcoming 8k neon module, you can record stunning prores raw video in resolutions up to 8k. Heres a few screen grabs testing transcend sdxc, patriot ep pro, and the sony sdhc uhs1. Head over to the blackmagic website here to download material from six different. The blackmagic ursa mini pro pl mount lets you use the worlds highest quality professional cinema lenses with your ursa min pro camera. Exporting prores 422 from sony vegas on windows windows 10. Hi guys, im quite desperate to find a solution to encode my videos to apple pro res. Dec 19, 20 in typical reduser manner, blackmagic ceo grant petty has gotten used to posting news about significant advances in the development of their cameras on their very own blackmagic forum. Before this update, bmpcc could record in prores hq or raw, but now, it can record also in apple prores 422, apple prores 422 lt and apple prores 422 proxy. I think that the result is very good, easier for workflow. In my opinion, the image is more modern and perfect than the older bmcc and pocket. Id like to just shoot some prores on my bmpcc and edit in vegas.
Prores 422 hq this version of prores supports pixel depth of 10bit, thus offers more room for color grading while maintaining the optimum file size. I was plain shocked to see how miniscule the difference between codecs was, im convinced prores hq is. This is the best format to use when your camera actually records prores 422 hq. After all they should know who in the world has a prores license since they are. And then there is prores raw hq, which is the prores 4444 xq of raw. This is where everything and anything related to blackmagic designs pocket.